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		<title>By: home cooked theory  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Smart is sexy: Gender, work, tech</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/04/13/book-project-clarification-attempt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-16095</link>
		<dc:creator>home cooked theory  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Smart is sexy: Gender, work, tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] et, they take a stack of work and I&#8217;m trying to do this at the same time as I finish my book. I had  planned to hold a workshop on workp [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] et, they take a stack of work and I&#8217;m trying to do this at the same time as I finish my book. I had  planned to hold a workshop on workp [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jean</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/04/13/book-project-clarification-attempt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>she is probably tearing her hair at at all our &#039;suggestions&#039; lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>she is probably tearing her hair at at all our &#8216;suggestions&#8217; lol</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/04/13/book-project-clarification-attempt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2005 00:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How lucky is mel that she has all her blogging mates to offer suggestions? :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How lucky is mel that she has all her blogging mates to offer suggestions? <img src='http://homecookedtheory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/04/13/book-project-clarification-attempt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I think is nice Mel about the way you&#039;ve framed the book around voices (and not individuals or institutions or theories) is that the distinctions you are then able to make (and which you mention a few posts ago) don&#039;t have to be anchored in institutions (like academia), they can move around, between academia and journalism and politics and etc. In other words, it has the capacity to be not merely another example of &quot;cultural studies navel-gazing.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think is nice Mel about the way you&#8217;ve framed the book around voices (and not individuals or institutions or theories) is that the distinctions you are then able to make (and which you mention a few posts ago) don&#8217;t have to be anchored in institutions (like academia), they can move around, between academia and journalism and politics and etc. In other words, it has the capacity to be not merely another example of &#8220;cultural studies navel-gazing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/04/13/book-project-clarification-attempt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mel, nice to see this, and sounds very cool. Just a suggestion as much as anything (you might already cover this):

&lt;em&gt; It also meant a dilemma in selecting which of their writings most represented the voice I was interested in, leading to some inconsistencies in following the twists and turnsâ€šÃ„Ã®and limitationsâ€šÃ„Ã®of their technique. This is something I have to clear up.&lt;/em&gt;

I think some of the most useful discussion will be on the limitations - where are the points at which the strategies break - that&#039;s where you can define the edges of the strategies, give them shape. That may not be as nice as you would choosing the stuff you really like, but perhaps on the whole more useful, assuming that the people who&#039;ll read your book already have a clue about these names and what they&#039;re known for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mel, nice to see this, and sounds very cool. Just a suggestion as much as anything (you might already cover this):</p>
<p><em> It also meant a dilemma in selecting which of their writings most represented the voice I was interested in, leading to some inconsistencies in following the twists and turnsâ€šÃ„Ã®and limitationsâ€šÃ„Ã®of their technique. This is something I have to clear up.</em></p>
<p>I think some of the most useful discussion will be on the limitations &#8211; where are the points at which the strategies break &#8211; that&#8217;s where you can define the edges of the strategies, give them shape. That may not be as nice as you would choosing the stuff you really like, but perhaps on the whole more useful, assuming that the people who&#8217;ll read your book already have a clue about these names and what they&#8217;re known for?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this sounds really interesting! for me it has a kind of US feel: if I&#039;m right in thinking about it as a cultural-studies-meets-rhetoric project (where &#039;rhetoric&#039; means theacademic field obviously). since over there  so much cultural studies happens in communications departments which often get their bread and butter teaching rhetoric to kids going on to law school.  The questions that get asked about rhetorical projects that deal with issues of style, voice, address and all that ,are, of course,: what about history?  what about politics? what about desire? etc...do you assume that voice and address transparantly express or smoothly engage in particular historical/political &#039;conjunctures&#039; (as they used to say)?  or not?  Or does the chain of very different intellectual/political situations that cultural studies passesthrough as it twists and turns and crosses borders since 1963 become kind of invisible?  
I guess too I wonder how you decide what cultural studies is, where it begins and ends.... For instance: Williams and Morris both write a lot of journalism...does this writing belong to their cultural studies corpus or not?  I guess that difficulty isnt that big a deal though...

        maybe more difficult is the issue of THEORY.  dread theory. The four people that you talk about in the PhD version obviously have very different relations to theory: two of them basically disseminate and extend &#039;import theories&#039; of various kinds (Hall, Morris), one of them is pretty much theory free (Hoggart) and Williams changes his relation to theory more than once during his career...does this matter at all for the project?  And do different theories come with their own form of &#039;address&#039; (Gramsci, de Certeau, Foucault, Althusser, Cixous... whoever) which are impersonated by their cultural studies disciples/popularisers?

, and...(this could go on for ever I&#039;ll stop soon) what about institutional position: the four orginal figures have very different positions (from one another and  across their careers) and their positionality has an immense effect on the kind of work they do and the kind of effects it has and the kind of recognition it gets....Take Williams for instance: for much of his career he was a Professor at Cambridge, pretty much the apex of the Brit/colonial university system and that helps account for why 1) his corpus is much more significant than the others in terms of depth, reach and care; and 2) he has had much more transnational recognition. (In the US outside of the relatively tiny dedicated &#039;proper/real&#039; cultural studies community almost noone has heard of Hoggart or Morris, and Hall is not a major figure across the humanities in general either as Williams is). As most of us know: Hall was a full time academic for his career, which isnt true of Hoggart (who becomes for periods a big-time cultural bureaucrat) or Morris (who survives as a journalist for some years and scarmbles academically until she finally acquires a PhD)
Does a book concerning &quot;address&quot; need to take all this into account??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this sounds really interesting! for me it has a kind of US feel: if I&#8217;m right in thinking about it as a cultural-studies-meets-rhetoric project (where &#8216;rhetoric&#8217; means theacademic field obviously). since over there  so much cultural studies happens in communications departments which often get their bread and butter teaching rhetoric to kids going on to law school.  The questions that get asked about rhetorical projects that deal with issues of style, voice, address and all that ,are, of course,: what about history?  what about politics? what about desire? etc&#8230;do you assume that voice and address transparantly express or smoothly engage in particular historical/political &#8216;conjunctures&#8217; (as they used to say)?  or not?  Or does the chain of very different intellectual/political situations that cultural studies passesthrough as it twists and turns and crosses borders since 1963 become kind of invisible?<br />
I guess too I wonder how you decide what cultural studies is, where it begins and ends&#8230;. For instance: Williams and Morris both write a lot of journalism&#8230;does this writing belong to their cultural studies corpus or not?  I guess that difficulty isnt that big a deal though&#8230;</p>
<p>        maybe more difficult is the issue of THEORY.  dread theory. The four people that you talk about in the PhD version obviously have very different relations to theory: two of them basically disseminate and extend &#8216;import theories&#8217; of various kinds (Hall, Morris), one of them is pretty much theory free (Hoggart) and Williams changes his relation to theory more than once during his career&#8230;does this matter at all for the project?  And do different theories come with their own form of &#8216;address&#8217; (Gramsci, de Certeau, Foucault, Althusser, Cixous&#8230; whoever) which are impersonated by their cultural studies disciples/popularisers?</p>
<p>, and&#8230;(this could go on for ever I&#8217;ll stop soon) what about institutional position: the four orginal figures have very different positions (from one another and  across their careers) and their positionality has an immense effect on the kind of work they do and the kind of effects it has and the kind of recognition it gets&#8230;.Take Williams for instance: for much of his career he was a Professor at Cambridge, pretty much the apex of the Brit/colonial university system and that helps account for why 1) his corpus is much more significant than the others in terms of depth, reach and care; and 2) he has had much more transnational recognition. (In the US outside of the relatively tiny dedicated &#8216;proper/real&#8217; cultural studies community almost noone has heard of Hoggart or Morris, and Hall is not a major figure across the humanities in general either as Williams is). As most of us know: Hall was a full time academic for his career, which isnt true of Hoggart (who becomes for periods a big-time cultural bureaucrat) or Morris (who survives as a journalist for some years and scarmbles academically until she finally acquires a PhD)<br />
Does a book concerning &#8220;address&#8221; need to take all this into account??</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 03:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This time around Iâ€šÃ„Ã´m organising the book around the voices themselves, removed from exclusive association with any one figure.&quot;

Holy shit, mel! academic &#039;voice&#039; machines populating the assemblages of various writing machines... or does the writing machine become part of the territorialising voice assemblage... it seems as if you are becoming-Deleuzian... yes, the dark side, such POWER! bwuhahahaHAHA... 

Anyway, it looks wicked. :)

But, tell me, are you doing one on the reactionary voice of popularist &#039;intellectuals&#039; who participate in the culture wars? Carrrn, stick the boot in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This time around Iâ€šÃ„Ã´m organising the book around the voices themselves, removed from exclusive association with any one figure.&#8221;</p>
<p>Holy shit, mel! academic &#8216;voice&#8217; machines populating the assemblages of various writing machines&#8230; or does the writing machine become part of the territorialising voice assemblage&#8230; it seems as if you are becoming-Deleuzian&#8230; yes, the dark side, such POWER! bwuhahahaHAHA&#8230; </p>
<p>Anyway, it looks wicked. <img src='http://homecookedtheory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But, tell me, are you doing one on the reactionary voice of popularist &#8216;intellectuals&#8217; who participate in the culture wars? Carrrn, stick the boot in.</p>
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		<title>By: jean</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/04/13/book-project-clarification-attempt-1/comment-page-1/#comment-433</link>
		<dc:creator>jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 02:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this, Mel, I feel like I finally get it - and I think the strategy to thematicise (?) it is eminently sensible and really builds another layer on top of what you very sensibly did in the thesis but that, in book form, could look like a canon-building exercise.  Looking forward to more updates.

Q:  is part of your argument that these voices are particularly resonant in cultural studies as against other areas of the humanities/social sciences?  Be interested to hear more about that too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Mel, I feel like I finally get it &#8211; and I think the strategy to thematicise (?) it is eminently sensible and really builds another layer on top of what you very sensibly did in the thesis but that, in book form, could look like a canon-building exercise.  Looking forward to more updates.</p>
<p>Q:  is part of your argument that these voices are particularly resonant in cultural studies as against other areas of the humanities/social sciences?  Be interested to hear more about that too.</p>
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		<title>By: Christian McCrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian McCrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 02:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So how far down the mytheme / archetypal mode of tone analysis are you going down? I also want to see a Vladimir Propp-style table of different tones!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how far down the mytheme / archetypal mode of tone analysis are you going down? I also want to see a Vladimir Propp-style table of different tones!</p>
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