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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/06/27/blogging-and-gender-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-2044</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I just thank you all for a very interesting conversation?  

&amp; Glen: when you ask &quot;how is it possible to have a relation of mastery over technology that is not considered masculine?&quot; I&#039;m thinking two things in two wildly different directions:  a)Mary Shelley &amp; Frankenstein, and b)knitting? It meets all the criteria for technology that I&#039;m aware of.  Although, on the other hand, some of the most complex kinds of knitting eg Aran were traditionally done by men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I just thank you all for a very interesting conversation?  </p>
<p>&amp; Glen: when you ask &#8220;how is it possible to have a relation of mastery over technology that is not considered masculine?&#8221; I&#8217;m thinking two things in two wildly different directions:  a)Mary Shelley &amp; Frankenstein, and b)knitting? It meets all the criteria for technology that I&#8217;m aware of.  Although, on the other hand, some of the most complex kinds of knitting eg Aran were traditionally done by men.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/06/27/blogging-and-gender-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-2021</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>err, ignore incorrect word selection in the above comment. I am blogging while hungover/tired. Bad combination. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>err, ignore incorrect word selection in the above comment. I am blogging while hungover/tired. Bad combination. </p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/06/27/blogging-and-gender-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-2018</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jean/ben, i don&#039;t won&#039;t to colonise mel&#039;s blog, so my basic 2 questions are: how is it possible to have a relation of mastery over technology that is not considered masculine? Is it possible to have a principle of organisation where there is an unequal distribution of knowledges (sub/cultural capital) that is not vertical or hierarchical? 

and, jean, i have not engaged with blog-as-media angle because i don&#039;t know anything about it (beyond what I wrote for blogtalk about media events and blogging&#039;s parasitic role).

I will write more on my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jean/ben, i don&#8217;t won&#8217;t to colonise mel&#8217;s blog, so my basic 2 questions are: how is it possible to have a relation of mastery over technology that is not considered masculine? Is it possible to have a principle of organisation where there is an unequal distribution of knowledges (sub/cultural capital) that is not vertical or hierarchical? </p>
<p>and, jean, i have not engaged with blog-as-media angle because i don&#8217;t know anything about it (beyond what I wrote for blogtalk about media events and blogging&#8217;s parasitic role).</p>
<p>I will write more on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: jean</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/06/27/blogging-and-gender-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-1973</link>
		<dc:creator>jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and I should have read ben&#039;s last comment properly. What he said, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and I should have read ben&#8217;s last comment properly. What he said, too.</p>
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		<title>By: jean</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/06/27/blogging-and-gender-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-1972</link>
		<dc:creator>jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and just to clarify, it&#039;s really LJ-bashing (or, more properly, as ben points out, personal online journal bashing) I&#039;m interested in, which interestingly comes both from the digerati - who want to legitimate blogging in terms of journalism - and the mainstream media - nuf said&gt;  It seems that a whole lot of things converge there, from the technological mastery angle (if it&#039;s easy to make the content, then the content is worthless); to a new configuration of the historically gendered debates around public/private (who cares about some 13yo girl&#039;s relationship with her boyfriend, it&#039;s not important, it&#039;s a waste of space, etc).  that&#039;s the stuff  i&#039;m interested in, anyway.  Along with US-centricism, class, writing genres: all the stuff that contributes to making the most-read blogs mostly written by white, male, (quasi)educated Americans and dealing with &quot;public&quot; issues...will shut up now
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and just to clarify, it&#8217;s really LJ-bashing (or, more properly, as ben points out, personal online journal bashing) I&#8217;m interested in, which interestingly comes both from the digerati &#8211; who want to legitimate blogging in terms of journalism &#8211; and the mainstream media &#8211; nuf said&gt;  It seems that a whole lot of things converge there, from the technological mastery angle (if it&#8217;s easy to make the content, then the content is worthless); to a new configuration of the historically gendered debates around public/private (who cares about some 13yo girl&#8217;s relationship with her boyfriend, it&#8217;s not important, it&#8217;s a waste of space, etc).  that&#8217;s the stuff  i&#8217;m interested in, anyway.  Along with US-centricism, class, writing genres: all the stuff that contributes to making the most-read blogs mostly written by white, male, (quasi)educated Americans and dealing with &#8220;public&#8221; issues&#8230;will shut up now</p>
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		<title>By: jean</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/06/27/blogging-and-gender-continued/comment-page-1/#comment-1971</link>
		<dc:creator>jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t write as many sentences as the rest of you at the moment, but (sorry, you know I love you) Glen, it seems to me you still won&#039;t confront the fact that the masculinisation of technological mastery, and (if it&#039;s a different issue for you) a very clear and specifically gendered position within the field of sexual identities, is/are absolutely, fundamentally core to both the lived experience and public representation of modified car cultures.  Ploise explain, with references to bodacious blondes on car bonnets where possible!  And yes, of course, of course it is possible to fuck with the code to create a pink girly blog that performs a certain construction of femininity: that&#039;s not the point; the point is which of these blogs are mobilised as &quot;important&quot;, as examples of the decentralisation of media power, or whatever; and which of these blogs are mobilised (in the press, and in the blogosphere itself) as examples of &quot;too much talking&quot;, &quot;too much information&quot;, and the lowering of standards, that is, feminised...I think I&#039;m repeating myself.  But it wouldn&#039;t be the first time ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t write as many sentences as the rest of you at the moment, but (sorry, you know I love you) Glen, it seems to me you still won&#8217;t confront the fact that the masculinisation of technological mastery, and (if it&#8217;s a different issue for you) a very clear and specifically gendered position within the field of sexual identities, is/are absolutely, fundamentally core to both the lived experience and public representation of modified car cultures.  Ploise explain, with references to bodacious blondes on car bonnets where possible!  And yes, of course, of course it is possible to fuck with the code to create a pink girly blog that performs a certain construction of femininity: that&#8217;s not the point; the point is which of these blogs are mobilised as &#8220;important&#8221;, as examples of the decentralisation of media power, or whatever; and which of these blogs are mobilised (in the press, and in the blogosphere itself) as examples of &#8220;too much talking&#8221;, &#8220;too much information&#8221;, and the lowering of standards, that is, feminised&#8230;I think I&#8217;m repeating myself.  But it wouldn&#8217;t be the first time <img src='http://homecookedtheory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jebni</title>
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		<dc:creator>jebni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 06:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, Glen, I&#039;m developing an interest in girl-bloggers who *hyper*-customise their blogs into another dimension, creating crazy animated DHTML layers, etc, with lots of cats and bunnies and things -- straddling the aesthetic/technical divisions that you mention. It&#039;s all pretty super-involved from a technical perspective, but the ethics of these kinds of practices appear quite different from geek discourses of technical mastery. In a &quot;phallocentric&quot; geek economy, code and techniques are shared within a very particular economy of prestige, whereas when techniques are shared within this girl-blog customisation culture, I&#039;m pretty sure there&#039;s something else going on. I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, Glen, I&#8217;m developing an interest in girl-bloggers who *hyper*-customise their blogs into another dimension, creating crazy animated DHTML layers, etc, with lots of cats and bunnies and things &#8212; straddling the aesthetic/technical divisions that you mention. It&#8217;s all pretty super-involved from a technical perspective, but the ethics of these kinds of practices appear quite different from geek discourses of technical mastery. In a &#8220;phallocentric&#8221; geek economy, code and techniques are shared within a very particular economy of prestige, whereas when techniques are shared within this girl-blog customisation culture, I&#8217;m pretty sure there&#8217;s something else going on. I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, I misquoted you, you know what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, I misquoted you, you know what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 03:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mel, I think we are in agreement. Let me rewrite the sentence:

&quot;I am making the assumption that masculine and feminine gestures actually exist as part of assemblages that are actualised through discursive performativity.&quot;

The &#039;but&#039; is there to signal an awareness that what most people recognise as gender is only the actualised reality of a virtual structure. My line of argument is: firstly, gender may be a constituent part of the structure but it is not always the &#039;end game&#039; so to speak, my assumption is that social relations are not reproduced to reproduce gender categories, but to reproduce certain power relations between such molar categories. Second, gender is part of a complex model of molar personhood and a resuscitation of this model (ie through the act of &#039;recognition&#039;) is an act of power (modulation of the passage from the virtual to the actual). Third, such acts of resuscitation exist in the form of institutionalised habit. 

So I agree that &quot;there are not interesting performative effects generated from their use by particular individuals that can be read within a history of gender association - one which arises from a culturally specific legacy and an ongoing division of labour&quot; but what I am getting at is the need for an interrogation of the social machinery of how this happens, without making assumptions about whether or not such categories are even relevant in particular contexts. Or, in other words, if you go looking for gender, you will necessarily find it, but, to ask the devil&#039;s advocate question;), does gender in-itself matter as much as the reproduction of power relations premised on models of molar personhood of which gender is only a constituent part? 

For example, I came across a blog the other day which attacked another blog for not changing the original blogger design of the blog. There was no reason given beyond one of taste (ie &#039;I don&#039;t like...&#039;). At play was an implicit construction of the &#039;blogger&#039; as a model of molar personhood. Also at play was a gendered relation. The person being critical was hyper-masculine (maybe some sort of &#039;nerd&#039; protest masculinity!) to the feminine of the blogger being critiqued. I am not sure if this is the sort of thing you are looking at?!?! 

My trouble with female car enthusiasts is not that I am trying to &#039;find gender&#039;, but because they make me realise that what matters in the pure field of car enthusiasm is the enthusiasm itself. When fields overlap, as they inevitably do, then, of course, gender is important, but not in a way that relates to the enthusiasm itself. 

I am not asking these questions or raising these points to be bellicose, gender has long been a problem for me as I could never quite figure out how poststructuralists talked about gender without there being a problematic residual structuralism implicit in the terms &#039;masculine&#039; and &#039;feminine&#039;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mel, I think we are in agreement. Let me rewrite the sentence:</p>
<p>&#8220;I am making the assumption that masculine and feminine gestures actually exist as part of assemblages that are actualised through discursive performativity.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8216;but&#8217; is there to signal an awareness that what most people recognise as gender is only the actualised reality of a virtual structure. My line of argument is: firstly, gender may be a constituent part of the structure but it is not always the &#8216;end game&#8217; so to speak, my assumption is that social relations are not reproduced to reproduce gender categories, but to reproduce certain power relations between such molar categories. Second, gender is part of a complex model of molar personhood and a resuscitation of this model (ie through the act of &#8216;recognition&#8217;) is an act of power (modulation of the passage from the virtual to the actual). Third, such acts of resuscitation exist in the form of institutionalised habit. </p>
<p>So I agree that &#8220;there are not interesting performative effects generated from their use by particular individuals that can be read within a history of gender association &#8211; one which arises from a culturally specific legacy and an ongoing division of labour&#8221; but what I am getting at is the need for an interrogation of the social machinery of how this happens, without making assumptions about whether or not such categories are even relevant in particular contexts. Or, in other words, if you go looking for gender, you will necessarily find it, but, to ask the devil&#8217;s advocate question;), does gender in-itself matter as much as the reproduction of power relations premised on models of molar personhood of which gender is only a constituent part? </p>
<p>For example, I came across a blog the other day which attacked another blog for not changing the original blogger design of the blog. There was no reason given beyond one of taste (ie &#8216;I don&#8217;t like&#8230;&#8217;). At play was an implicit construction of the &#8216;blogger&#8217; as a model of molar personhood. Also at play was a gendered relation. The person being critical was hyper-masculine (maybe some sort of &#8216;nerd&#8217; protest masculinity!) to the feminine of the blogger being critiqued. I am not sure if this is the sort of thing you are looking at?!?! </p>
<p>My trouble with female car enthusiasts is not that I am trying to &#8216;find gender&#8217;, but because they make me realise that what matters in the pure field of car enthusiasm is the enthusiasm itself. When fields overlap, as they inevitably do, then, of course, gender is important, but not in a way that relates to the enthusiasm itself. </p>
<p>I am not asking these questions or raising these points to be bellicose, gender has long been a problem for me as I could never quite figure out how poststructuralists talked about gender without there being a problematic residual structuralism implicit in the terms &#8216;masculine&#8217; and &#8216;feminine&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jun 2005 01:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you weren&#039;t attacking me Glen, and I&#039;m sorry if I gave the impression I felt attacked.  (for future reference, Glen, I&#039;m completely insensitive &amp; never ever feel attacked, so you can relax.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you weren&#8217;t attacking me Glen, and I&#8217;m sorry if I gave the impression I felt attacked.  (for future reference, Glen, I&#8217;m completely insensitive &amp; never ever feel attacked, so you can relax.)</p>
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