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		<title>By: home cooked theory &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Self-branding</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/11/20/post-solidarity/#comment-59656</link>
		<dc:creator>home cooked theory &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Self-branding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 09:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A key aspect of my online identity that I&#8217;ve been made aware of this week is the way that I have used my blog to express feelings of loneliness, isolation and disaffection with Brisbane since moving here. While those feelings have certainly had a real basis at times, particularly early on, it&#8217;s increasingly apparent that reading about those feelings on my blog has led people to make gestures and suggestions about my life (from coffee dates to flatmates) based on that knowledge. It seems that sometimes they have been offended when I haven&#8217;t recognised these offers as indications of potential friendship. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A key aspect of my online identity that I&#8217;ve been made aware of this week is the way that I have used my blog to express feelings of loneliness, isolation and disaffection with Brisbane since moving here. While those feelings have certainly had a real basis at times, particularly early on, it&#8217;s increasingly apparent that reading about those feelings on my blog has led people to make gestures and suggestions about my life (from coffee dates to flatmates) based on that knowledge. It seems that sometimes they have been offended when I haven&#8217;t recognised these offers as indications of potential friendship. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/11/20/post-solidarity/#comment-17313</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 05:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just being the devil's advocate:what if cliquiness is the &lt;i&gt;known and agreed&lt;/i&gt; logic of informal collectives, whereas it operates &lt;i&gt;invisibly&lt;/i&gt; as the subtext of institutional 'solidarity'? As in, everyone has to go to the department meeting but only the cool academics get invited to the pub afterwards. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just being the devil&#8217;s advocate:what if cliquiness is the <i>known and agreed</i> logic of informal collectives, whereas it operates <i>invisibly</i> as the subtext of institutional &#8217;solidarity&#8217;? As in, everyone has to go to the department meeting but only the cool academics get invited to the pub afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/11/20/post-solidarity/#comment-17277</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thinking aloud here.  Institutionalised solidarity isn't all bad -- informal collectives aren't all good -- the latter can and do devolve into cliques in ways that the former can't.  As in, everyone has to go to the department meeting but only the cool mums get invited to coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thinking aloud here.  Institutionalised solidarity isn&#8217;t all bad &#8212; informal collectives aren&#8217;t all good &#8212; the latter can and do devolve into cliques in ways that the former can&#8217;t.  As in, everyone has to go to the department meeting but only the cool mums get invited to coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: melgregg</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/11/20/post-solidarity/#comment-16987</link>
		<dc:creator>melgregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mel, thanks for noticing, I didn't think anyone had :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel, thanks for noticing, I didn&#8217;t think anyone had <img src='http://homecookedtheory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/11/20/post-solidarity/#comment-16958</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quite a clever blog title, because what I find fascinating about Mel's blogging is her regular recourses to structures of femininity. As such I find her desire for a CS 'mum's group' quite seductive because it makes an analogy between the 'devalued' work of CS practitioners and the 'devalued' work of mums. I think the key thing is that this 'solidarity' is not disciplinary or institutionalised, but informal and 'domestic'.

I interpreted Mel's post as simply wanting validation for the work she does, and as such I saw Az's last 'angry' comment as the most interesting because of its talk of privilege. It's an important point. But what if this were not a group that assumed privilege, but a group that assumed pragmatism? Like the young mums in Mel's example who take care of each other?

If I had a band, I might called it The Peeks in the Pants. Makes for a good pun, too. Bolt is a genius poet indeed. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite a clever blog title, because what I find fascinating about Mel&#8217;s blogging is her regular recourses to structures of femininity. As such I find her desire for a CS &#8216;mum&#8217;s group&#8217; quite seductive because it makes an analogy between the &#8216;devalued&#8217; work of CS practitioners and the &#8216;devalued&#8217; work of mums. I think the key thing is that this &#8217;solidarity&#8217; is not disciplinary or institutionalised, but informal and &#8216;domestic&#8217;.</p>
<p>I interpreted Mel&#8217;s post as simply wanting validation for the work she does, and as such I saw Az&#8217;s last &#8216;angry&#8217; comment as the most interesting because of its talk of privilege. It&#8217;s an important point. But what if this were not a group that assumed privilege, but a group that assumed pragmatism? Like the young mums in Mel&#8217;s example who take care of each other?</p>
<p>If I had a band, I might called it The Peeks in the Pants. Makes for a good pun, too. Bolt is a genius poet indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Caldwell</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/11/20/post-solidarity/#comment-16940</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Caldwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miles, that's "culture studies".  Do try to keep up, old chap.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miles, that&#8217;s &#8220;culture studies&#8221;.  Do try to keep up, old chap.</p>
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		<title>By: Miles</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/11/20/post-solidarity/#comment-16918</link>
		<dc:creator>Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought cultural studies was about yoghurt....

*ducks*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought cultural studies was about yoghurt&#8230;.</p>
<p>*ducks*</p>
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		<title>By: home cooked theory  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; CSAA</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/11/20/post-solidarity/#comment-16897</link>
		<dc:creator>home cooked theory  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; CSAA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] theory		quasi-academic musings of a brisbane research fella	 	 				   	 		 			&#171; Post solidarity (?) 			 		 	 		 			CSAA 	 			 					Thanks to all of you  [...]</description>
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<p> 	 				   	 		 			&laquo; Post solidarity (?) 			 		 	 		 			CSAA 	 			 					Thanks to all of you  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: creativity/machine &#187; the cultural public sphere</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/11/20/post-solidarity/#comment-16879</link>
		<dc:creator>creativity/machine &#187; the cultural public sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 04:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of cultural-studies-defensiveness-and-infighting just at the moment, but the discussion at Mel&#8217;s blog has prompted me to think that maybe it&#8217;s time for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of cultural-studies-defensiveness-and-infighting just at the moment, but the discussion at Mel&#8217;s blog has prompted me to think that maybe it&#8217;s time for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Az</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2005/11/20/post-solidarity/#comment-16862</link>
		<dc:creator>Az</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Forcing someone to admit they â€šÃ„Ã²choseâ€šÃ„Ã´ cultstuds is interpellating them into the consumerist logic of the neoliberalist workplace: workchoices?&lt;/b&gt;

I'm not talking about 'choice' here, I'm trying to explore the possibility that even accidents have effects/patterns. That could be interrogated, given a chance, quite productively. 

Mel wrote:

&lt;b&gt;I just feel unable to engage with it when cultural studies is described as lame, or people make claims about it I donâ€šÃ„Ã´t understand or recognise (when Iâ€šÃ„Ã´m writing a book about it! It makes me panic!), or when one of my most important mentors is dismissed as some kind of evil scurge on the quality of scholarship in our universitiesâ€šÃ„Â¶ It makes me feel really crap and isolated. In those contexts it doesnâ€šÃ„Ã´t sound like there is an opportunity to talk about politics. I just donâ€šÃ„Ã´t feel welcome...&lt;/b&gt;

Well, I can understand that it would make you panic. But can't panic be productive? Doesn't it mean a chance to explore new ground, in a weird way? Doesn't misrecognition signal that something different is happening from what you first thought? 

And I'm not sure who you're talking about re mentor -- but my own comments about particular theorists are based on what I've read and what I really think, not the desire to be a hater. 

And this last thing is going to sound pretty 'angry', so bear in mind that I'm really not, but for god's sake, cultural studies people need support groups so they can feel okay about having the time and privilege to read Morris, Bennett, Grossberg, Stuart Hall or any other theorist? The only way I square the privileges I have as a postgrad with a knowledge of how fucked it is for most people out there in the real world, in so many ways, is a sense that I'm trying to make my work count for something, politically, and trying to do some other political stuff with the resources of my scholarship, access to university 'facilities' etc. Sometimes I don't feel like I manage that very well. But hey, I'm trying -- in the knowledge that this probably won't get me a job, or if it does, it'll be a job I have to re-apply for every six months, etc, and that &lt;b&gt;any&lt;/b&gt; ARC grant I apply for will get vetoed automatically as 'peek in the pants' work. (Andrew Bolt, you poet.) That's if I manage to finish my thesis. I'm in CS because it allows me to do work I would have difficulty piecing together elsewhere, and because that's where I have found someone amazing and inspiring to help me do it. I am being openly strategic, a bit, about careeer stuff now because I would really like to get paid sometime to do this stuff. But I would last about 2 minutes in a hypothetical CS support group, because I would get so frustrated with the unconscious privilege assumed by the participants that I'd start frothing at the mouth. Support and soldarity, my ears and whiskers! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Forcing someone to admit they â€šÃ„Ã²choseâ€šÃ„Ã´ cultstuds is interpellating them into the consumerist logic of the neoliberalist workplace: workchoices?</b></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not talking about &#8216;choice&#8217; here, I&#8217;m trying to explore the possibility that even accidents have effects/patterns. That could be interrogated, given a chance, quite productively. </p>
<p>Mel wrote:</p>
<p><b>I just feel unable to engage with it when cultural studies is described as lame, or people make claims about it I donâ€šÃ„Ã´t understand or recognise (when Iâ€šÃ„Ã´m writing a book about it! It makes me panic!), or when one of my most important mentors is dismissed as some kind of evil scurge on the quality of scholarship in our universitiesâ€šÃ„Â¶ It makes me feel really crap and isolated. In those contexts it doesnâ€šÃ„Ã´t sound like there is an opportunity to talk about politics. I just donâ€šÃ„Ã´t feel welcome&#8230;</b></p>
<p>Well, I can understand that it would make you panic. But can&#8217;t panic be productive? Doesn&#8217;t it mean a chance to explore new ground, in a weird way? Doesn&#8217;t misrecognition signal that something different is happening from what you first thought? </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not sure who you&#8217;re talking about re mentor &#8212; but my own comments about particular theorists are based on what I&#8217;ve read and what I really think, not the desire to be a hater. </p>
<p>And this last thing is going to sound pretty &#8216;angry&#8217;, so bear in mind that I&#8217;m really not, but for god&#8217;s sake, cultural studies people need support groups so they can feel okay about having the time and privilege to read Morris, Bennett, Grossberg, Stuart Hall or any other theorist? The only way I square the privileges I have as a postgrad with a knowledge of how fucked it is for most people out there in the real world, in so many ways, is a sense that I&#8217;m trying to make my work count for something, politically, and trying to do some other political stuff with the resources of my scholarship, access to university &#8216;facilities&#8217; etc. Sometimes I don&#8217;t feel like I manage that very well. But hey, I&#8217;m trying &#8212; in the knowledge that this probably won&#8217;t get me a job, or if it does, it&#8217;ll be a job I have to re-apply for every six months, etc, and that <b>any</b> ARC grant I apply for will get vetoed automatically as &#8216;peek in the pants&#8217; work. (Andrew Bolt, you poet.) That&#8217;s if I manage to finish my thesis. I&#8217;m in CS because it allows me to do work I would have difficulty piecing together elsewhere, and because that&#8217;s where I have found someone amazing and inspiring to help me do it. I am being openly strategic, a bit, about careeer stuff now because I would really like to get paid sometime to do this stuff. But I would last about 2 minutes in a hypothetical CS support group, because I would get so frustrated with the unconscious privilege assumed by the participants that I&#8217;d start frothing at the mouth. Support and soldarity, my ears and whiskers!</p>
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