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		<title>by: melgregg</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2006/08/01/understanding-others-splendour/#comment-47317</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 23:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks Renee! Agree - there are many kinds of elite dickhead. I will try to be more forgiving, as I am surely also one to others.</description>
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		<title>by: Renee</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2006/08/01/understanding-others-splendour/#comment-47314</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot; You know, itâ€™s actually just rich white kids on drugs being dickheads, and not caring about anyone who isnâ€™t in their club. Itâ€™s virtual reality, itâ€™s a persistent elite that continues to be oblivious, and itâ€™s in my face.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

You know, Mel, there are different kinds of elites that can also be persistent dickheads. Just thought I'd put it to you. Lighten up. Experience life your own way. Live and let live so to speak. I dont think this is what Joan was talking about.  

Oh, and I liked your lecture on new media and workspaces. Looking forward to next week and blogging :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8221; You know, itâ€™s actually just rich white kids on drugs being dickheads, and not caring about anyone who isnâ€™t in their club. Itâ€™s virtual reality, itâ€™s a persistent elite that continues to be oblivious, and itâ€™s in my face.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You know, Mel, there are different kinds of elites that can also be persistent dickheads. Just thought I&#8217;d put it to you. Lighten up. Experience life your own way. Live and let live so to speak. I dont think this is what Joan was talking about.  </p>
<p>Oh, and I liked your lecture on new media and workspaces. Looking forward to next week and blogging <img src='http://homecookedtheory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Mel</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2006/08/01/understanding-others-splendour/#comment-47273</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2006/08/01/understanding-others-splendour/#comment-47273</guid>
					<description>Ben: The self-promotion aspect was not actually the reason I began writing this piece. It was more the ethical dimension of &quot;life caching&quot;. I was at this gig and I noticed this weird guy taking photos of complete strangers, including me (I usually escape being photographed at such events because I'm not thin/young/kooky enough). I was astounded that people weren't more suspicious of what he was intending to do with the pictures, and that's when it occurred to me that &lt;i&gt;people don't really mind what's done with them&lt;/i&gt;. 

So I started to go, &quot;Why don't people mind?&quot; and that's when I considered the culture of, not exactly self-promotion, but self-validation through online image sharing. I didn't have the room for it, but I also wanted to make a point about how the 'official' media are increasingly reliant on the existence of people willing to waive their ethical right to privacy: ie, people who tacitly consent to &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; media representation and commentary by making their images public. It's the thin end of the &quot;user-generated content&quot; wedge. 

Another issue I'd wanted to cover, but didn't have space for, was the idea that a photograph is a more personal and intimate kind of public record and thus its misuse is more likely to make someone feel violated than, say, mocking or misrepresenting their writing.

Mel: It would be so hard to quantify that. Perhaps you could cross-reference ownership of 3G phones with MySpace and Flickr membership?!? I just discovered another one of these photo services today, can't remember what it's called though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben: The self-promotion aspect was not actually the reason I began writing this piece. It was more the ethical dimension of &#8220;life caching&#8221;. I was at this gig and I noticed this weird guy taking photos of complete strangers, including me (I usually escape being photographed at such events because I&#8217;m not thin/young/kooky enough). I was astounded that people weren&#8217;t more suspicious of what he was intending to do with the pictures, and that&#8217;s when it occurred to me that <i>people don&#8217;t really mind what&#8217;s done with them</i>. </p>
<p>So I started to go, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t people mind?&#8221; and that&#8217;s when I considered the culture of, not exactly self-promotion, but self-validation through online image sharing. I didn&#8217;t have the room for it, but I also wanted to make a point about how the &#8216;official&#8217; media are increasingly reliant on the existence of people willing to waive their ethical right to privacy: ie, people who tacitly consent to <i>any</i> media representation and commentary by making their images public. It&#8217;s the thin end of the &#8220;user-generated content&#8221; wedge. </p>
<p>Another issue I&#8217;d wanted to cover, but didn&#8217;t have space for, was the idea that a photograph is a more personal and intimate kind of public record and thus its misuse is more likely to make someone feel violated than, say, mocking or misrepresenting their writing.</p>
<p>Mel: It would be so hard to quantify that. Perhaps you could cross-reference ownership of 3G phones with MySpace and Flickr membership?!? I just discovered another one of these photo services today, can&#8217;t remember what it&#8217;s called though.
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		<title>by: melgregg</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2006/08/01/understanding-others-splendour/#comment-47241</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If only I was staying in Sydney another couple of nights next week, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boudist.com/archive/2006/08/02/drinks_are_on_crumpler.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; would be fun. This is your guy if you believe it's possible to capture something more going on at a rock show. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only I was staying in Sydney another couple of nights next week, <a href="http://www.boudist.com/archive/2006/08/02/drinks_are_on_crumpler.php" rel="nofollow">this</a> would be fun. This is your guy if you believe it&#8217;s possible to capture something more going on at a rock show.
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		<title>by: melgregg</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2006/08/01/understanding-others-splendour/#comment-47240</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2006/08/01/understanding-others-splendour/#comment-47240</guid>
					<description>No offence taken: don't particularly like Ben Harper and he certainly makes your argument. I'm still thinking about this, and I wasn't being earnest in referencing Benjamin/Barthes. It's not the musical genius of the artist I want access to, in fact on one level it is simply the capacity to see what they're doing because I paid to. But in the process (and what I am calling the conditions for the sublime in this situation, but the point is a wider one) it would be nice to feel some form of relationship with the humans in my immediate vicinity, whether they happen to be next to me or on stage. When I hear stories about the behaviour of some festival staff during their shift, it makes me angry. It makes me think about responsibility and accountability. Moreover, it makes me feel that events like these are more about gaining access to and performing a particular imaginary lifestyle rather than an opportunity to engage with other humans. Yes, I am old fashioned - or maybe just old! And I think that's why ultimately I want to see the bands. At least some of them must be jaded enough to see thru the drugs and the glitz (or the mud, as the case may be); and grounded enough to recognise that when they happen to genuinely move someone in the audience it's a good day on the job, if nothing else.

Mel, just saw your piece which is great. 'Life caching' - that's it. Although these Splendour hipsters are something else too. They don't strike me as the types that want to be famous or online. They've already got the friends, they're living the life, they show it but they don't need to &lt;em&gt;publicise&lt;/em&gt; it. 

I'd love to see some data on how many people actually do *anything* with all the photos they take at these things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offence taken: don&#8217;t particularly like Ben Harper and he certainly makes your argument. I&#8217;m still thinking about this, and I wasn&#8217;t being earnest in referencing Benjamin/Barthes. It&#8217;s not the musical genius of the artist I want access to, in fact on one level it is simply the capacity to see what they&#8217;re doing because I paid to. But in the process (and what I am calling the conditions for the sublime in this situation, but the point is a wider one) it would be nice to feel some form of relationship with the humans in my immediate vicinity, whether they happen to be next to me or on stage. When I hear stories about the behaviour of some festival staff during their shift, it makes me angry. It makes me think about responsibility and accountability. Moreover, it makes me feel that events like these are more about gaining access to and performing a particular imaginary lifestyle rather than an opportunity to engage with other humans. Yes, I am old fashioned - or maybe just old! And I think that&#8217;s why ultimately I want to see the bands. At least some of them must be jaded enough to see thru the drugs and the glitz (or the mud, as the case may be); and grounded enough to recognise that when they happen to genuinely move someone in the audience it&#8217;s a good day on the job, if nothing else.</p>
<p>Mel, just saw your piece which is great. &#8216;Life caching&#8217; - that&#8217;s it. Although these Splendour hipsters are something else too. They don&#8217;t strike me as the types that want to be famous or online. They&#8217;ve already got the friends, they&#8217;re living the life, they show it but they don&#8217;t need to <em>publicise</em> it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see some data on how many people actually do *anything* with all the photos they take at these things.
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		<title>by: ben</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2006/08/01/understanding-others-splendour/#comment-47239</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mel G: before I'm misunderstood, my point about Ben Harper was to do with certain qualities in more general performances of appreciation that resonate in ways that give me the shits, and isn't necessarily about &quot;people who like Ben Harper&quot;, which I'm guessing that you do. That is, I don't want &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; to fuck off and die. :)

Mel C: I'm interested in the relationship between your emphasis on self-publicity in the &quot;15 minutes of fame&quot; notion, and what I'm interpreting as the wider point you've made about the need for new ethical negotiations by various &quot;publics&quot; in the more general circulation of vernacular media (i.e. stuff that's not necessarily directly self-initiated for the prospect of fame), and way this might interface with more official media. 

Here in Hong Kong, we've had the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_uncle&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bus Uncle&lt;/a&gt; phenomenon, which became the most viewed clip on YouTube in May. The Bus Uncle himself, who did not plan his mass exposure, but whose outrageous behaviour was caught on cameraphone, has since accrued a kind of dubious, sleazy celebrity -- he's been paid by a magazine to obnoxiously visit hostess-bars in China and sexually harass the workers there, and has inspired all sorts of riffs in commercial and non-commercial pop-culture. 

The director of the new media arts organisation at which I'm based in HK was recently interviewed as part of a current affairs TV piece on vernacular media and the Bus Uncle. (I'm featured in the background, reading blogs! Ha! I'm famous!) He made the rather sensible point that rather than getting caught up in the caricatured, hierarchical panic about cameraphones (whether &quot;for&quot; or &quot;against&quot; their &quot;appropriate&quot; or &quot;inappropriate&quot; uses), &quot;the public&quot; should be taking these kinds of events as opportunities for developing ways to &lt;i&gt;ethically read&lt;/i&gt;. But upon reflection, I'm wondering whether his point is itself a form of displaced crypto-panic -- can't we read it (uncharitably) as a nice way of saying, &quot;we don't want the proles to be tabloid-reading trashbags or shocked wowsers -- we must educate them to be responsible, enlightened and informed citizen-consumers!&quot;? People's own media production also fades into obscurity here. But setting aside &quot;the people&quot; for a sec: what about magazines sexually harassing women by proxy? How does &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; fit into the whole &quot;responsible consumption&quot; ethic? Hmmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel G: before I&#8217;m misunderstood, my point about Ben Harper was to do with certain qualities in more general performances of appreciation that resonate in ways that give me the shits, and isn&#8217;t necessarily about &#8220;people who like Ben Harper&#8221;, which I&#8217;m guessing that you do. That is, I don&#8217;t want <i>you</i> to fuck off and die. <img src='http://homecookedtheory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mel C: I&#8217;m interested in the relationship between your emphasis on self-publicity in the &#8220;15 minutes of fame&#8221; notion, and what I&#8217;m interpreting as the wider point you&#8217;ve made about the need for new ethical negotiations by various &#8220;publics&#8221; in the more general circulation of vernacular media (i.e. stuff that&#8217;s not necessarily directly self-initiated for the prospect of fame), and way this might interface with more official media. </p>
<p>Here in Hong Kong, we&#8217;ve had the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_uncle" rel="nofollow">Bus Uncle</a> phenomenon, which became the most viewed clip on YouTube in May. The Bus Uncle himself, who did not plan his mass exposure, but whose outrageous behaviour was caught on cameraphone, has since accrued a kind of dubious, sleazy celebrity &#8212; he&#8217;s been paid by a magazine to obnoxiously visit hostess-bars in China and sexually harass the workers there, and has inspired all sorts of riffs in commercial and non-commercial pop-culture. </p>
<p>The director of the new media arts organisation at which I&#8217;m based in HK was recently interviewed as part of a current affairs TV piece on vernacular media and the Bus Uncle. (I&#8217;m featured in the background, reading blogs! Ha! I&#8217;m famous!) He made the rather sensible point that rather than getting caught up in the caricatured, hierarchical panic about cameraphones (whether &#8220;for&#8221; or &#8220;against&#8221; their &#8220;appropriate&#8221; or &#8220;inappropriate&#8221; uses), &#8220;the public&#8221; should be taking these kinds of events as opportunities for developing ways to <i>ethically read</i>. But upon reflection, I&#8217;m wondering whether his point is itself a form of displaced crypto-panic &#8212; can&#8217;t we read it (uncharitably) as a nice way of saying, &#8220;we don&#8217;t want the proles to be tabloid-reading trashbags or shocked wowsers &#8212; we must educate them to be responsible, enlightened and informed citizen-consumers!&#8221;? People&#8217;s own media production also fades into obscurity here. But setting aside &#8220;the people&#8221; for a sec: what about magazines sexually harassing women by proxy? How does <i>that</i> fit into the whole &#8220;responsible consumption&#8221; ethic? Hmmm&#8230;
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		<title>by: Mel</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2006/08/01/understanding-others-splendour/#comment-47238</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I, er, wrote an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/ethics-on-the-line-as-ordinary-people-put-themselves-in-the-picture/2006/07/31/1154198070612.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;op-ed&lt;/a&gt; about this issue...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, er, wrote an <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/ethics-on-the-line-as-ordinary-people-put-themselves-in-the-picture/2006/07/31/1154198070612.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1" rel="nofollow">op-ed</a> about this issue&#8230;
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		<title>by: ben</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2006/08/01/understanding-others-splendour/#comment-47236</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't know exactly how rude these people were being, but I'm thinking your annoyance is more that they weren't actually listening intently to the &quot;now-ness&quot; of the performance, right? Taking this issue on its own, I simply &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; make a case that they really are &quot;just enjoying the band in a different way&quot;. Yep, I agree that there's heaps of annoying things about Australian festival crowds, and I reckon they &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; to do with rich white prats on drugs, but for me, the use of cameras to facilitate microtribal relations or a lack of attentiveness to the performances -- in and of themselves -- aren't at the top of my list. 

Actually, what annoys me most about Australian festivalgoers is &lt;i&gt;precisely&lt;/i&gt; the pretension of soulful &quot;authenticity&quot; that circulates in the history of local crowds' appreciations of, say, Ben Harper and his ilk. (Sorry, my reference points are rather dated.) Those &quot;chilled&quot;, inoffensive middle class white fans who are &quot;feeling the vibe&quot; are really just looking for a cushion on which to park their own relative comfort and privilege, and can just fuck off and die, I say.

In the meantime, I don't get your your reading of Benjamin on authenticity. Sure, his perverse &lt;i&gt;thrill&lt;/i&gt; at the withering of the aura is only tenable for someone with an investment already in it, but you have to at least take his substantive argument seriously: the ways in which authenticity has been degraded by developments in the mode of production helpfully &quot;brush aside a number of outmoded concepts, such as creativity and genius, eternal value and mystery -- concepts whose uncontrolled (and at present uncontrollable) application would lead to a processing of data in the Fascist sense&quot; (Preface, &quot;The Work of Art in the Age of its Technical Reproducibility&quot;). I can't speak for Benjamin's personal, affective experiences of appreciating musical performances, but surely your longing to bask in the sublime power of an artist's presence is exactly what he was (at least programmatically) &lt;i&gt;against&lt;/i&gt; when he proposed &lt;i&gt;distraction&lt;/i&gt; (over concentration) as the most interesting mode of contemporary aesthetic engagement?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know exactly how rude these people were being, but I&#8217;m thinking your annoyance is more that they weren&#8217;t actually listening intently to the &#8220;now-ness&#8221; of the performance, right? Taking this issue on its own, I simply <i>would</i> make a case that they really are &#8220;just enjoying the band in a different way&#8221;. Yep, I agree that there&#8217;s heaps of annoying things about Australian festival crowds, and I reckon they <i>are</i> to do with rich white prats on drugs, but for me, the use of cameras to facilitate microtribal relations or a lack of attentiveness to the performances &#8212; in and of themselves &#8212; aren&#8217;t at the top of my list. </p>
<p>Actually, what annoys me most about Australian festivalgoers is <i>precisely</i> the pretension of soulful &#8220;authenticity&#8221; that circulates in the history of local crowds&#8217; appreciations of, say, Ben Harper and his ilk. (Sorry, my reference points are rather dated.) Those &#8220;chilled&#8221;, inoffensive middle class white fans who are &#8220;feeling the vibe&#8221; are really just looking for a cushion on which to park their own relative comfort and privilege, and can just fuck off and die, I say.</p>
<p>In the meantime, I don&#8217;t get your your reading of Benjamin on authenticity. Sure, his perverse <i>thrill</i> at the withering of the aura is only tenable for someone with an investment already in it, but you have to at least take his substantive argument seriously: the ways in which authenticity has been degraded by developments in the mode of production helpfully &#8220;brush aside a number of outmoded concepts, such as creativity and genius, eternal value and mystery &#8212; concepts whose uncontrolled (and at present uncontrollable) application would lead to a processing of data in the Fascist sense&#8221; (Preface, &#8220;The Work of Art in the Age of its Technical Reproducibility&#8221;). I can&#8217;t speak for Benjamin&#8217;s personal, affective experiences of appreciating musical performances, but surely your longing to bask in the sublime power of an artist&#8217;s presence is exactly what he was (at least programmatically) <i>against</i> when he proposed <i>distraction</i> (over concentration) as the most interesting mode of contemporary aesthetic engagement?
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