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		<title>By: Getting Desperate: Twitter on primetime : home cooked theory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Getting Desperate: Twitter on primetime : home cooked theory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;structure of feeling&#8221; about mid-career, white collar job insecurity. I know it&#8217;s against new media protocol to admit watching the show, but this downturn-inflected season will be an ongoing reference for me [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;structure of feeling&#8221; about mid-career, white collar job insecurity. I know it&#8217;s against new media protocol to admit watching the show, but this downturn-inflected season will be an ongoing reference for me [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did that work, Glen? I mean, were the girls impressed? Nice choice with the alphabetical order of your surname, anyway!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did that work, Glen? I mean, were the girls impressed? Nice choice with the alphabetical order of your surname, anyway!</p>
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		<title>By: glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>speaking of lolcats... 

here is a lecture I gave a few weeks ago full of good ol&#039; lolcat:
http://www.slideshare.net/glenfuller/internet-lecture/ 

of course in the lecture slides you miss the awesome story about &#039;collective intelligence&#039; and impressing girls in the bookshop when showing them my name next to Freud&#039;s in the index of Wark&#039;s Gamer Theory</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speaking of lolcats&#8230; </p>
<p>here is a lecture I gave a few weeks ago full of good ol&#8217; lolcat:<br />
<a href="http://www.slideshare.net/glenfuller/internet-lecture/" rel="nofollow">http://www.slideshare.net/glenfuller/internet-lecture/</a> </p>
<p>of course in the lecture slides you miss the awesome story about &#8216;collective intelligence&#8217; and impressing girls in the bookshop when showing them my name next to Freud&#8217;s in the index of Wark&#8217;s Gamer Theory</p>
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		<title>By: jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had conversations about the questions Jason raises with various people over the last couple of months, around a number of media-related issues -- why hasn&#039;t any part of the cultural studies + media + everyday life message gotten through? Why are we still having the same arguments?

Just to be silly for a moment, my first thought is always to simply blame America. 

Maybe we can put it all down to the triumph of media effects over cultural studies in the US Academy, whose legitimacy is amplified via the interest that the mainstream media have in believing that they have effects (positive for your own medium, negative for all the newer or more electronic ones), rather than uses...

And of course the idea of &#039;cognitive surplus&#039; only works if:

- television audienceing is a complete absence of brain function; and
- engagement with media in everyday life was and can continue to be completely weightless (so while you&#039;re &#039;not thinking&#039; you&#039;re also not doing &#039;anything&#039;)

Both of which propositions (and more besides) we &#039;know&#039; to be complete nonsense.

However, since we aren&#039;t a positivist social science &#039;discipline&#039;, do &#039;we&#039; (cultural studies, and the kind of media studies that has no truck with media effects) have any way of demonstrating or performing an agreed position (as opposed to lots and lots of different perspectives) that might counter any of that? 

I&#039;m not sure, and I don&#039;t know what to do about the recurrence of these assumptions (including, as you say, in the work of otherwise perfectly sensible and quite clever scholars) other than sigh, feel despondent, and explain it all again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had conversations about the questions Jason raises with various people over the last couple of months, around a number of media-related issues &#8212; why hasn&#8217;t any part of the cultural studies + media + everyday life message gotten through? Why are we still having the same arguments?</p>
<p>Just to be silly for a moment, my first thought is always to simply blame America. </p>
<p>Maybe we can put it all down to the triumph of media effects over cultural studies in the US Academy, whose legitimacy is amplified via the interest that the mainstream media have in believing that they have effects (positive for your own medium, negative for all the newer or more electronic ones), rather than uses&#8230;</p>
<p>And of course the idea of &#8216;cognitive surplus&#8217; only works if:</p>
<p>- television audienceing is a complete absence of brain function; and<br />
- engagement with media in everyday life was and can continue to be completely weightless (so while you&#8217;re &#8216;not thinking&#8217; you&#8217;re also not doing &#8216;anything&#8217;)</p>
<p>Both of which propositions (and more besides) we &#8216;know&#8217; to be complete nonsense.</p>
<p>However, since we aren&#8217;t a positivist social science &#8216;discipline&#8217;, do &#8216;we&#8217; (cultural studies, and the kind of media studies that has no truck with media effects) have any way of demonstrating or performing an agreed position (as opposed to lots and lots of different perspectives) that might counter any of that? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure, and I don&#8217;t know what to do about the recurrence of these assumptions (including, as you say, in the work of otherwise perfectly sensible and quite clever scholars) other than sigh, feel despondent, and explain it all again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason W</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2008/06/01/a-screen-without-a-mouse-on-tv-bashing/comment-page-1/#comment-83522</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that a passive or receptive approach to various forms of art/culture is actually necessary. 

But the thing I&#039;d like to point out is that, as we know, this kind of discourse has a long history. I hope that Laura will forgive me for going back on my promise not to pile in on blogs  gratuitous scholarly references ;) But this has been noted for years  - William Boddy pointed out back in 1994 that new media technologies are recurrently promoted as &quot;active&quot; in relation to television&#039;s (feminised)passivity. The Gin stuff seems out of the box, until your remember Andreas Huyssen in &quot;After the Great Divide&quot; talking about the conflation of mass culture and the feared crowd from the nineteenth century onwards. 

The &quot;heat sink&quot; metaphor is new, and especially horrible - crudely, reductively instrumentalising decades of global cultural history. I&#039;m sorry, but Shirky needs a talking-to. 

The question is, if we know all this, and people have pointed out so many times, why do we keep hearing it with every generation of new technology? 

And why do we find otherwise sensible scholars endorsing it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that a passive or receptive approach to various forms of art/culture is actually necessary. </p>
<p>But the thing I&#8217;d like to point out is that, as we know, this kind of discourse has a long history. I hope that Laura will forgive me for going back on my promise not to pile in on blogs  gratuitous scholarly references <img src='http://homecookedtheory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  But this has been noted for years  &#8211; William Boddy pointed out back in 1994 that new media technologies are recurrently promoted as &#8220;active&#8221; in relation to television&#8217;s (feminised)passivity. The Gin stuff seems out of the box, until your remember Andreas Huyssen in &#8220;After the Great Divide&#8221; talking about the conflation of mass culture and the feared crowd from the nineteenth century onwards. </p>
<p>The &#8220;heat sink&#8221; metaphor is new, and especially horrible &#8211; crudely, reductively instrumentalising decades of global cultural history. I&#8217;m sorry, but Shirky needs a talking-to. </p>
<p>The question is, if we know all this, and people have pointed out so many times, why do we keep hearing it with every generation of new technology? </p>
<p>And why do we find otherwise sensible scholars endorsing it?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Passivity (or better, receptivity) to imaginative experience is a fine thing, actually, and necessary.  How can you edit the Wikipedia article on Gilligan&#039;s Island if you haven&#039;t taken it in first? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Passivity (or better, receptivity) to imaginative experience is a fine thing, actually, and necessary.  How can you edit the Wikipedia article on Gilligan&#8217;s Island if you haven&#8217;t taken it in first? <img src='http://homecookedtheory.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, hear, hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, hear, hear.</p>
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