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		<title>By: melgregg</title>
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		<dc:creator>melgregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s coming! Check back in a few days for the conference paper. Unfortunately it&#039;s still only a brief introduction to the wider project, but I do get the labour politics argument together, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s coming! Check back in a few days for the conference paper. Unfortunately it&#8217;s still only a brief introduction to the wider project, but I do get the labour politics argument together, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the chance you still have the &quot;Work on TV&quot; paper I would be thrilled to read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the chance you still have the &#8220;Work on TV&#8221; paper I would be thrilled to read it.</p>
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		<title>By: melgregg</title>
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		<dc:creator>melgregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 02:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. I think these issues are related. i.e. the creative class subscribes to cable and empathises with the industry narcissism depicted on the shows. Which is symptomatic of wider social divides in the US in particular in the distribution of financial, educational and cultural capital.

The problem with this is the &quot;public sphere&quot; - free to air television - is once again abandoned. There is a class divide in the medium between smart, savvy, insider shows and, as The Emmys painfully indicated, the rest of the programming tailored to a mass market (hence &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/arts/television/22emmys.html?_r=1&amp;ref=television&amp;oref=slogin&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the disaster&lt;/a&gt; of the reality tv dudes and dudette as hosts). Just read some of the comments in the NYT story to see how hard it is for Americans to think in those terms ( &quot;it&#039;s nice to have something for everybody&quot;).

Queen Tina on NBC is the exception proving the rule, but I have other things to say about that in the paper...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. I think these issues are related. i.e. the creative class subscribes to cable and empathises with the industry narcissism depicted on the shows. Which is symptomatic of wider social divides in the US in particular in the distribution of financial, educational and cultural capital.</p>
<p>The problem with this is the &#8220;public sphere&#8221; &#8211; free to air television &#8211; is once again abandoned. There is a class divide in the medium between smart, savvy, insider shows and, as The Emmys painfully indicated, the rest of the programming tailored to a mass market (hence <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/arts/television/22emmys.html?_r=1&#038;ref=television&#038;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">the disaster</a> of the reality tv dudes and dudette as hosts). Just read some of the comments in the NYT story to see how hard it is for Americans to think in those terms ( &#8220;it&#8217;s nice to have something for everybody&#8221;).</p>
<p>Queen Tina on NBC is the exception proving the rule, but I have other things to say about that in the paper&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Deuze</title>
		<link>http://homecookedtheory.com/archives/2008/09/18/work-on-tv/comment-page-1/#comment-88839</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Deuze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another option (even now advertising agency-inspired tv series Mad Men scored at the Emmys last night) may be something that comes out of a lot of media work research: the ever-so-slightly-if-not-totally-obvious narcissism that goes on in these creative industries. 

in part produced by the industries&#039; self-love and (especially in the case of journalists) overinflated self-importance, in part result of the constant need to self-commodify in order to get, keep (or stay away from) a certain job, in part consequence of the deeply individualized yet at same time incessantly networked nature of employment in the media. 

in other words: media producers produce shows on media production because that is pretty much all they (can or want to) know. 

that, and slightly modifying whatever more or less successfull formula works for the competition. 

another option: as a growing portion of the laborforce moves into what Richard Florida calls the &quot;creative class&quot; (he suggests its at least 30% of the US workforce), and one thing a lot of folks in these groups have in common is a need to express themselves through consumption, this makes them an attractive proposition for advertisers that ultimately determine whether such shows make it past their pilot or first season, or not. 

I wonder whether its important - in the US context - that the newest hit examples of such shows (Entourage, Extras) - are on HBO and not on the networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another option (even now advertising agency-inspired tv series Mad Men scored at the Emmys last night) may be something that comes out of a lot of media work research: the ever-so-slightly-if-not-totally-obvious narcissism that goes on in these creative industries. </p>
<p>in part produced by the industries&#8217; self-love and (especially in the case of journalists) overinflated self-importance, in part result of the constant need to self-commodify in order to get, keep (or stay away from) a certain job, in part consequence of the deeply individualized yet at same time incessantly networked nature of employment in the media. </p>
<p>in other words: media producers produce shows on media production because that is pretty much all they (can or want to) know. </p>
<p>that, and slightly modifying whatever more or less successfull formula works for the competition. </p>
<p>another option: as a growing portion of the laborforce moves into what Richard Florida calls the &#8220;creative class&#8221; (he suggests its at least 30% of the US workforce), and one thing a lot of folks in these groups have in common is a need to express themselves through consumption, this makes them an attractive proposition for advertisers that ultimately determine whether such shows make it past their pilot or first season, or not. </p>
<p>I wonder whether its important &#8211; in the US context &#8211; that the newest hit examples of such shows (Entourage, Extras) &#8211; are on HBO and not on the networks.</p>
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		<title>By: melgregg</title>
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		<dc:creator>melgregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark! You must help me answer these questions! But I can definitely send a draft of the paper. Of course I need a lot of assistance with local productions elsewhere - I already want to write about the Gervais show, Extras, and I know of this one as well from the UK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_Wallpaper 

Part of what I want to explore is whether television turns inwards during times of transition - whether depicting TV production as content is some kind of coping mechanism. This stretches back to the Dick Van Dyke Show but also covers the main one missing from your list: Mary Tyler Moore. 

I don&#039;t know about the journalists. In Australia at least there was never much hope of a serious portrayal after &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.workingdog.com.au/frontline/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Frontline &lt;/a&gt;. Though the creators of that are now reaching new heights with a show called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/tv/hollowmen/#/intro&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Hollowmen&lt;/a&gt;, which satirizes Federal politics. It&#039;s also telling for my purposes that the company behind these programs is called &quot;Working Dog&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark! You must help me answer these questions! But I can definitely send a draft of the paper. Of course I need a lot of assistance with local productions elsewhere &#8211; I already want to write about the Gervais show, Extras, and I know of this one as well from the UK: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_Wallpaper" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_Wallpaper</a> </p>
<p>Part of what I want to explore is whether television turns inwards during times of transition &#8211; whether depicting TV production as content is some kind of coping mechanism. This stretches back to the Dick Van Dyke Show but also covers the main one missing from your list: Mary Tyler Moore. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about the journalists. In Australia at least there was never much hope of a serious portrayal after <a href="http://www.workingdog.com.au/frontline/" rel="nofollow">Frontline </a>. Though the creators of that are now reaching new heights with a show called <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/tv/hollowmen/#/intro" rel="nofollow">The Hollowmen</a>, which satirizes Federal politics. It&#8217;s also telling for my purposes that the company behind these programs is called &#8220;Working Dog&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Deuze</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Deuze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>first off, I&#039;d love to read your paper on this! second, is there a similar trend in locally-produced content in other parts of the world - especially regarding series that depict the workstyles of media professionals? there was a Spanish tv series on journalists: &quot;Periodistas&quot; (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124958/), and the BBC comedy show &quot;Broken News&quot; (http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/brokennews/).

this reminds me: how is this different from another 1970s/1980s staple of media work-based tv series, namely several shows that glorified the lives of journalists (&quot;Lou Grant&quot; from 1977-1982, &quot;Murphy Brown&quot; from 1988-1998; and i found on Wikipedia &quot;WKRP in Cincinnati&quot; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WKRP_in_Cincinnati)?

perhaps its telling that today we have shows on ad agencies, talent companies, film and tv productions, and even game studios (http://www.cbc.ca/jpod/), but not on journalists anymore... perhaps they have become to depressing to talk about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>first off, I&#8217;d love to read your paper on this! second, is there a similar trend in locally-produced content in other parts of the world &#8211; especially regarding series that depict the workstyles of media professionals? there was a Spanish tv series on journalists: &#8220;Periodistas&#8221; (<a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124958/" rel="nofollow">http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124958/</a>), and the BBC comedy show &#8220;Broken News&#8221; (<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/brokennews/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/brokennews/</a>).</p>
<p>this reminds me: how is this different from another 1970s/1980s staple of media work-based tv series, namely several shows that glorified the lives of journalists (&#8220;Lou Grant&#8221; from 1977-1982, &#8220;Murphy Brown&#8221; from 1988-1998; and i found on Wikipedia &#8220;WKRP in Cincinnati&#8221; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WKRP_in_Cincinnati" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WKRP_in_Cincinnati</a>)?</p>
<p>perhaps its telling that today we have shows on ad agencies, talent companies, film and tv productions, and even game studios (<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/jpod/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/jpod/</a>), but not on journalists anymore&#8230; perhaps they have become to depressing to talk about?</p>
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